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Posted 11/16/2009 3:09:45 PM
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I have 3 conures. 1 is a male Hoffman, the other 2 are females, a GCC & a CGCC. I was told by the breeder that they cannot breed. The Hoffman is just 7 months and is exhibiting signs of wanting to mate.
I intentionally wanted a different type of bird so they won't breed. But, now I am observing their behavior and am concerned they could. Can someone answer this for me? I am not clear why they can't.

Is anyone familiar w/ Hoffman's? My little guy is cage aggressive and a bully. He is a challenge for such a little guy. Any advice on how to deal with him would help. He is out alot, gets a ton of attention, has toys, is on a pellet diet (Roudy Bush) and gets fruit daily.

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As I'm reading it, you have a Hoffmans Conure (not common within captivity, at least within the United States - do you live in Canada by any chance?), a Gold Capped Conure, and a Cinnamon Green Cheek Conure. Correct?

Out of those three species, the *ONLY* one I have not heard about being hybridized would be the Hoffmans. Green cheeks have hybridized with other Pyrrhuras, Aratingas, and even Nandayus conures. Gold caps, as far as I am aware, have only hybridized with Aratingas and Nandayus conures.

Therefore, with what I know about hybrids, I would say that it's possible for all three species to hybridize. The Hoffman x Green Cheek offspring might be fertile, but hybrids between either of those species and the Gold Cap would most likely result in offspring with birth defects (at least toe deformities) and possibly being sterile.... with who knows what else might be wrong.

 

You can see a couple of the hybrids I mentioned at
Hybrid Parrots - a set on Flickr

 

I don't know what your view on hybrids is (I'm assuming you are against them), but personally, I wouldn't suggest hybridizing them. Best of luck!

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Posted 11/16/2009 4:54:42 PM
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YES, they can.  See my post on Sun/GCC Hybrid.  My vet told me the same thing and they had 3 clutches 2 years ago and one clutch of 4 survived.  All of this clutch were perfect.  In September, my Sun, Maggie laid 4 more eggs and we had 3 more babies. In this clutch there were some toe abnormalities where the babies didn't have toenails.  I found all of them a good home but there will be no hybrid babies for Maggie and Mack.  So, yes the can interbreed no matter what anyone can tells you I have seen it first hand.  Again go to my post and see for yourself the pics from just hatched to the day before I gave them away.  They were very sweet babies, but I would not want to but any more babies thru the toe thing again.

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Posted 11/16/2009 6:00:09 PM
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Thank you for your quick responses. After I placed my post I read the post on the sun conure. That confirmed it for me. I have no desire to have any babies of any kind. I am unexperienced and would not want to tackle that task. My husband and I was given our Green cheek. We fell in love and wanted to find a friend for her. We went to the local bird store that has an excellent reputation among bird owners here. I let them meet Connie and they suggested the Hoffman who was recently hatched and was still on formula. I went to the store everyday for 2 weeks, handled him etc. I should have known, the little rascal hates to be handled. He is very independent, loves to play (very much like a Caique). We took him home when he was weaned and low and behold he is a flying can opener (his wings are clipped, but I know if he could fly he would be that flying can opener).
The other bird is a Cinnamon Green cheek. Very sweet, but timid. This is the one he recently is taking an interest in. They are not together unless they are supervised, he is too rotten to leave him alone with them.I don't know exactly what I am going to do, we only wanted a companion for our Green Cheek (Connie). We found the Cinnamon after we took the Hoffman home.
We live in Florida. The store I purchased him through breeds their own birds. I know that they deal with Panama directly. I am unsure, but, that maybe where he got his mating pair. I attached a pic of him, his name is Ziggy.


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Posted 11/23/2009 4:16:07 PM
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Wow -- It's so neat to see a photo of a Hoffman's conure! They certainly aren't common, at least as pets. It's my understanding that there are a handful of breeders working with them here in the US, so it does stand to reason that at times, they do become available to the public.

If you were interested in breeding (which it appears that you aren't), you do want to make sure you set up same species pairs. Difficult to do with the Hoffman's, not-so-difficult with the green-cheekeds. To minimize mating behaviors, limit daylight (10-12 hours a day) and perhaps eliminate nesting sites (think cozy corners and birdie bunks in the cage).

Best of luck with your conures, Pam! Your Hoffman's sounds like a handful but with time and patience (and Band-Aids) he may just come around.

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Posted 11/24/2009 10:49:09 AM
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Everyday Ziggy gets better. I believe with time and patience you learn their behaviors and how to handle them. He reminds me of a hyperactive puppy that has to have his mouth (beak and tongue) on everything and test everything with a bite. I have had him home since Mid July and the testing behavior has not changed. It would be nice if it was a phase and he grows out of it. Somehow I doubt it. There are things about Ziggy that are good. He is fearless. My 2 female conures are afraid of everything, Ziggy is either just plain ignorant or is truly fearless. I love his confidence. He loves to play and keeps himself entertained. He is so much fun to watch. Even though he does like to be touched, he thrives on one on one attention. I just know if he would let me rub his little head he would like it. He won't let you near his head or body, he is very quick with his beak. The few times I can get to touch him his feathers are different from the other two. He feels like he has fur, so soft, fluffy and silky. Hopefully over the years our bond will get better and he will trust me enough to let me pet him. As far as breeding. I am not qualified in anyway to breed. I just enjoy them, they are great companions. I thought I did all the right things before bringing home a companion by going to the pros and educated people for guidance. I can only hope they won't breed. I have no nesting spots for them (cozy corners, tents etc.). We will have to keep an eye on them, they love to get together and groom, which I think is healthy. Ziggy gets to aggressive in his grooming and then I separate them. I will keep everyone posted. My flock is still very young (Ziggy 6 months, the other 2 little over a year) and I don't think they have reached sexual maturity yet. I know at hat time things can change and there little sweet personalities will be different.


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I know this is a older post, but the subject interested me, a friend of mine has a GC  and a Pineapple GC hoping they breed some day, the pineapple is too young yet- so there is a lot of time to find out yet, if they do-- I hope everything is okay with them. I think these 2 is better than his first choose, a sun with the GC. their pretty much the same species. thanks tiel lover
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I know this is a older post, but the subject interested me, a friend of mine has a GC  and a Pineapple GC hoping they breed some day, the pineapple is too young yet- so there is a lot of time to find out yet, if they do-- I hope everything is okay with them. I think these 2 is better than his first choose, a sun with the GC. their pretty much the same species. thanks tiel lover

There is no such thing as a "pineapple" conure but there is such a thing as a "yellowsided" conure, which I wish they'd call an opaline instead! Opaline is the correct name for the mutation, and is better than using "yellowsided" because that's also the name of a species.

That said, a pineapple mutation green cheek is a cinnamon opaline (aka yellowsided) mutation of the green cheek. Much like a white tiger vs an orange tiger. Same species, different colors.

Therefore, this would not be hybridization, and is perfectly acceptable to breed the two together. I think you understand this, but other people do get confused on the subject.

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monica, I am amazed at your ability to muttle through genetics. You should go into working on G-nome studies or something.
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